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	<title>Comments on: Can You Write Website Requirements Without a Product Manager?</title>
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	<description>Software product success.</description>
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		<title>By: David Locke</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/11/16/website-product-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-540457</link>
		<dc:creator>David Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketing can own the messaging. Product marketing would own the offer beyond the messaging. Marketing certainly will not own the technical infrastructure. In a typical vendor, various organizations own their messaging, so marketing doesn&#039;t own ALL the messaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketing can own the messaging. Product marketing would own the offer beyond the messaging. Marketing certainly will not own the technical infrastructure. In a typical vendor, various organizations own their messaging, so marketing doesn&#8217;t own ALL the messaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/11/16/website-product-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-540450</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Daniel, thanks for the great comment, and welcome to Tyner Blain!

When you have both product management and product marketing management staffed, I am a proponent of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/pragmatic-marketing-framework&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;division of labor&quot; that Pragmatic Marketing promotes&lt;/a&gt; as a rule of thumb (with variation by individual teams when it makes sense, given the particular interests and capabilities of the people on the team).  If you&#039;re familiar with their framework, that would allocate the rightmost three columns to product marketing and the remaining columns to product management.

The &quot;website as a channel&quot; paradigm supports marketing having ownership of the website.  However, the &quot;website as a distinctive competence&quot; approach that I am encouraging would put it in a product management bucket.  The waters get muddied for teams where product management reports to marketing, but that only represents about 25% of companies (according to Pragmatic Marketing&#039;s latest survey).  What is more important to me is that someone is applying strategic product management decision making to the development of the website, regardless of which organization &quot;owns&quot; the website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Daniel, thanks for the great comment, and welcome to Tyner Blain!</p>
<p>When you have both product management and product marketing management staffed, I am a proponent of the <a href="http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/pragmatic-marketing-framework" rel="nofollow">&#8220;division of labor&#8221; that Pragmatic Marketing promotes</a> as a rule of thumb (with variation by individual teams when it makes sense, given the particular interests and capabilities of the people on the team).  If you&#8217;re familiar with their framework, that would allocate the rightmost three columns to product marketing and the remaining columns to product management.</p>
<p>The &#8220;website as a channel&#8221; paradigm supports marketing having ownership of the website.  However, the &#8220;website as a distinctive competence&#8221; approach that I am encouraging would put it in a product management bucket.  The waters get muddied for teams where product management reports to marketing, but that only represents about 25% of companies (according to Pragmatic Marketing&#8217;s latest survey).  What is more important to me is that someone is applying strategic product management decision making to the development of the website, regardless of which organization &#8220;owns&#8221; the website.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Kuperman</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/11/16/website-product-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-540396</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kuperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what&#039;s the role of the marketing manager? It sounds like the website product manager should actually be the marketing manager... after all, the website is part of the marketing tools the company uses to reach out to their prospective customers.

At the company I work for, Marketing leads website design taking into account other stakeholders needs. The product manager helps with the technical content and understanding the buyer, sales helps with knowledge of buying process and objections, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what&#8217;s the role of the marketing manager? It sounds like the website product manager should actually be the marketing manager&#8230; after all, the website is part of the marketing tools the company uses to reach out to their prospective customers.</p>
<p>At the company I work for, Marketing leads website design taking into account other stakeholders needs. The product manager helps with the technical content and understanding the buyer, sales helps with knowledge of buying process and objections, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-11-18 &#124; @neilmiddleton</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/11/16/website-product-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-538212</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-11-18 &#124; @neilmiddleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Can You Write Website Requirements Without a Product Manager? Very few people are able to do this well &#8211; so worth a read [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Can You Write Website Requirements Without a Product Manager? Very few people are able to do this well &#8211; so worth a read [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/11/16/website-product-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-538041</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Louie - great catch!  For the next wave of people, Louie is not insane, I was.  All of the places you see &quot;retro-chic&quot; above used to be &quot;retro-sheik&quot;.

Hilarious.  Totally my bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Louie &#8211; great catch!  For the next wave of people, Louie is not insane, I was.  All of the places you see &#8220;retro-chic&#8221; above used to be &#8220;retro-sheik&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hilarious.  Totally my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/11/16/website-product-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-538028</link>
		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the heck is &quot;retro-sheik&quot;? Are you talking about old-school Saudi Arabian princes? Or, did you mean, &quot;chic&quot;, meaning fashionable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the heck is &#8220;retro-sheik&#8221;? Are you talking about old-school Saudi Arabian princes? Or, did you mean, &#8220;chic&#8221;, meaning fashionable?</p>
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