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		<title>By: Passionate Requirements &#124; devblogging.com</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-805084</link>
		<dc:creator>Passionate Requirements &#124; devblogging.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you&#8217;re engaging your customers as part of a conversation ecosystem, you can not only benefit from this &#8220;free&#8221; word of mouth marketing, but also get [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Severa PSA (Tiina R)</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-575561</link>
		<dc:creator>Severa PSA (Tiina R)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @dennisstevens: By @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/14eeJ8 #pmot #agile #baot&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @dennisstevens: By @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/14eeJ8" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/14eeJ8</a> #pmot #agile #baot</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;By @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/14eeJ8 #pmot #agile #baot&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">By @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/14eeJ8" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/14eeJ8</a> #pmot #agile #baot</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Chad Austin</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-575563</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Insightful product and community management advice: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/14eeJ8 (by @sehlhorst)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Insightful product and community management advice: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/14eeJ8" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/14eeJ8</a> (by @sehlhorst)</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Russ Edelman</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-575564</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;By @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/14eeJ8 - This is a worthy read as it lays out a conversation and social trust map.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-523279</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike (&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/michaeldunham&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@MichaelDunham&lt;/a&gt; on Twitter), and welcome to Tyner Blain!

I agree with you about the SaaS market (see &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/09/10/saas-markets-are-efficient/&quot; title=&quot;SaaS Markets are Efficient :)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is the SaaS Market Broken, or Just Efficient?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;).  You do raise an interesting point - how much &lt;i&gt;attention&lt;/i&gt; is there to go around?  That&#039;s a big part of the driver of focusing on conversation in this series of articles.  Who gets more attention?  The companies you talk &lt;i&gt;with&lt;/i&gt;, or the ones who talk &lt;i&gt;at you&lt;/i&gt;, or even worse - not at all.

Realistically - if you got an hour of &lt;i&gt;attention&lt;/i&gt; from each customer, each month/week/whatever, how much better would that be?  But that&#039;s only one dimension - attention is great for driving branding and awareness - and also useful for Ries and Trout&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Law of the Mind&lt;/i&gt;.  The next level of value comes from the trust you can build, leading to collaborative conversations, resulting in gaining insights that your competitors don&#039;t have.  That lets you win.  It lets you improve your product-market fit, and positions you for a better product-market fit before the (next) market even forms.  Trust-based conversations allow you to discover other opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike (<a href="http://twitter.com/michaeldunham" rel="nofollow">@MichaelDunham</a> on Twitter), and welcome to Tyner Blain!</p>
<p>I agree with you about the SaaS market (see <em><a href="http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/09/10/saas-markets-are-efficient/" title="SaaS Markets are Efficient :)" rel="nofollow">Is the SaaS Market Broken, or Just Efficient?</a></em>).  You do raise an interesting point &#8211; how much <i>attention</i> is there to go around?  That&#8217;s a big part of the driver of focusing on conversation in this series of articles.  Who gets more attention?  The companies you talk <i>with</i>, or the ones who talk <i>at you</i>, or even worse &#8211; not at all.</p>
<p>Realistically &#8211; if you got an hour of <i>attention</i> from each customer, each month/week/whatever, how much better would that be?  But that&#8217;s only one dimension &#8211; attention is great for driving branding and awareness &#8211; and also useful for Ries and Trout&#8217;s <i>Law of the Mind</i>.  The next level of value comes from the trust you can build, leading to collaborative conversations, resulting in gaining insights that your competitors don&#8217;t have.  That lets you win.  It lets you improve your product-market fit, and positions you for a better product-market fit before the (next) market even forms.  Trust-based conversations allow you to discover other opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-575565</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @aprildunford: Commented on: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/4wazyn #prodmgmt #socmed #socialmedia (via @sehlhorst) [me too]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @aprildunford: Commented on: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/4wazyn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4wazyn</a> #prodmgmt #socmed #socialmedia (via @sehlhorst) [me too]</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-521757</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks April (&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/aprildunford&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@aprildunford&lt;/a&gt; on Twitter)

Great point about people not walking directly up and down the hierarchy of conversation - they absolutely can jump around, into the middle or all the way to the top or bottom.  You definitely hit the nail on the head - there are different things you do to engage people that are having different types of conversations - that is the main idea behind applying this notion to your community.  My goal is to help folks internalize that a single &quot;social marketing&quot; tactic is only right for a subset of the people in your conversation ecosystem.  In one of the next articles, I&#039;ll try and put these conversations in the context of impact on your business.  And also how to measure it, so that folks will have some tools for explicit managing (and improving it).

Also - really glad you liked the &quot;downward transitions&quot; part - you&#039;re (again) exactly right - there is a level of commitment that comes with establishing the conversations.  And a cost that comes with screwing up (through activity or inactivity).

Thanks again,
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks April (<a href="http://twitter.com/aprildunford" rel="nofollow">@aprildunford</a> on Twitter)</p>
<p>Great point about people not walking directly up and down the hierarchy of conversation &#8211; they absolutely can jump around, into the middle or all the way to the top or bottom.  You definitely hit the nail on the head &#8211; there are different things you do to engage people that are having different types of conversations &#8211; that is the main idea behind applying this notion to your community.  My goal is to help folks internalize that a single &#8220;social marketing&#8221; tactic is only right for a subset of the people in your conversation ecosystem.  In one of the next articles, I&#8217;ll try and put these conversations in the context of impact on your business.  And also how to measure it, so that folks will have some tools for explicit managing (and improving it).</p>
<p>Also &#8211; really glad you liked the &#8220;downward transitions&#8221; part &#8211; you&#8217;re (again) exactly right &#8211; there is a level of commitment that comes with establishing the conversations.  And a cost that comes with screwing up (through activity or inactivity).</p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dunham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Dunham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the conceptual framework you have developed for this post - but to have long lasting impact we have to consider a few thoughts about the future of &quot;as a Service&quot; offerings.

Will they become ubiquitous? Will they in time become the principal way we use applications? I believe so.  I don&#039;t know how long that might take, but if you look at the long term implications of a lot of various trends - netbooks, smartphones, remote workers, and most importantly - the rise of the Internet as an alternative to the desktop OS (think about that one), I think there is good reason to believe &quot;as a Service&quot; may not replace all local applications but at some level is is likely to at least a part of every application (think the Apple iTunes App Store). 

What might stop or limit the trend?  Broadband connectivity in the US. We&#039;re already way behind developed nations in both to the door and wireless bandwidth. In order for real, reliable, robust application suites to appear, the quality of service problem for delivery networks needs to be solved and delivered at a reasonable cost. 

But let&#039;s say for a minute that last mile connectivity (something as a Service vendors have little control over) problems are over come in a relatively short period of time. How many as a service applications might the average enterprise end-user have? Many already have 3-5 and they aren&#039;t even aware of it. I&#039;ll make a wild stab and say that if we include line of business applications that are in full time use by only a small number of total users (Like invention submission systems) but available to 1,000&#039;s - I&#039;ll guess something like 20. That might not even include local applications that are clients of as a Service applications at some level. 

So, can we imagine full engagement by end-users with 20 applications? No. No matter how wonderful each application is, the only ones we&#039;re likely to be really actively engaged with are those we spend a considerable percentage of our day. The problem is time and attention - we just don&#039;t have enough of either to give more. 

A group of us discussed this and other aspects of this emerging paradyme on our first podcast at Haut Tech Conversations. We decided it is likely the as a Service model is going take over much of what is now the &quot;installed base&quot; but it is unlikely that the proliferation of offerings can operate independently. What we see evolving are &quot;ecosystems&quot; of applications that flexibly mix (or mash up to use current terminology) to meet a specific need and are more or less transparent to the end user. That is already happening in the drive to develop only what is core to each service. 

When this occurs, the ecoysystem in some way has to provide a point of customer interaction that can filter down to an individual appllication level or spread out to the broader ecosystem (think &quot;why isn&#039;t someone doing this for us?&quot;).  This level of interaction is way beyond the current  system driven as it is by simple self-interest on the part of a vendor. It says that real communities will evolve out of the muck of say - 12 or so legal applications and a handfull of general productivity applications to give one example. 

I know, it is easy to say this is pretty farfetched. I think though, given Moore&#039;s Law, it is at least a desirable outcome if we believe the as a Service model has something critically useful to give to the future and is likely necessary a lot sooner than we may think..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the conceptual framework you have developed for this post &#8211; but to have long lasting impact we have to consider a few thoughts about the future of &#8220;as a Service&#8221; offerings.</p>
<p>Will they become ubiquitous? Will they in time become the principal way we use applications? I believe so.  I don&#8217;t know how long that might take, but if you look at the long term implications of a lot of various trends &#8211; netbooks, smartphones, remote workers, and most importantly &#8211; the rise of the Internet as an alternative to the desktop OS (think about that one), I think there is good reason to believe &#8220;as a Service&#8221; may not replace all local applications but at some level is is likely to at least a part of every application (think the Apple iTunes App Store). </p>
<p>What might stop or limit the trend?  Broadband connectivity in the US. We&#8217;re already way behind developed nations in both to the door and wireless bandwidth. In order for real, reliable, robust application suites to appear, the quality of service problem for delivery networks needs to be solved and delivered at a reasonable cost. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s say for a minute that last mile connectivity (something as a Service vendors have little control over) problems are over come in a relatively short period of time. How many as a service applications might the average enterprise end-user have? Many already have 3-5 and they aren&#8217;t even aware of it. I&#8217;ll make a wild stab and say that if we include line of business applications that are in full time use by only a small number of total users (Like invention submission systems) but available to 1,000&#8242;s &#8211; I&#8217;ll guess something like 20. That might not even include local applications that are clients of as a Service applications at some level. </p>
<p>So, can we imagine full engagement by end-users with 20 applications? No. No matter how wonderful each application is, the only ones we&#8217;re likely to be really actively engaged with are those we spend a considerable percentage of our day. The problem is time and attention &#8211; we just don&#8217;t have enough of either to give more. </p>
<p>A group of us discussed this and other aspects of this emerging paradyme on our first podcast at Haut Tech Conversations. We decided it is likely the as a Service model is going take over much of what is now the &#8220;installed base&#8221; but it is unlikely that the proliferation of offerings can operate independently. What we see evolving are &#8220;ecosystems&#8221; of applications that flexibly mix (or mash up to use current terminology) to meet a specific need and are more or less transparent to the end user. That is already happening in the drive to develop only what is core to each service. </p>
<p>When this occurs, the ecoysystem in some way has to provide a point of customer interaction that can filter down to an individual appllication level or spread out to the broader ecosystem (think &#8220;why isn&#8217;t someone doing this for us?&#8221;).  This level of interaction is way beyond the current  system driven as it is by simple self-interest on the part of a vendor. It says that real communities will evolve out of the muck of say &#8211; 12 or so legal applications and a handfull of general productivity applications to give one example. </p>
<p>I know, it is easy to say this is pretty farfetched. I think though, given Moore&#8217;s Law, it is at least a desirable outcome if we believe the as a Service model has something critically useful to give to the future and is likely necessary a lot sooner than we may think..</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Beckham</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-575566</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Beckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;By @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/14eeJ8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">By @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/14eeJ8" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/14eeJ8</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mohammad Rabay'a</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-575567</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammad Rabay'a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT: @aprildunford: Commented on Tyner Blain: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/4wazyn #prodmgmt #socmed #socialmedia (via @sehlhorst)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT: @aprildunford: Commented on Tyner Blain: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/4wazyn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4wazyn</a> #prodmgmt #socmed #socialmedia (via @sehlhorst)</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: April Dunford</title>
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		<dc:creator>April Dunford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Commented on Tyner Blain: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/4wazyn #prodmgmt #socmed #socialmedia (via @sehlhorst)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Commented on Tyner Blain: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/4wazyn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4wazyn</a> #prodmgmt #socmed #socialmedia (via @sehlhorst)</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff SKI Kinsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff SKI Kinsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;The Conversation Ecosystem &#124; Tyner Blain - http://shar.es/1mNNL&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">The Conversation Ecosystem | Tyner Blain &#8211; <a href="http://shar.es/1mNNL" rel="nofollow">http://shar.es/1mNNL</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: bishoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>bishoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Wow. This post is really excellent. Convert customers/users into promoters. The conversation ecosystem: http://tinyurl.com/nf78oq&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Wow. This post is really excellent. Convert customers/users into promoters. The conversation ecosystem: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nf78oq" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/nf78oq</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/09/08/the-conversation-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-521385</link>
		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this post.
For most brands there are going to be folks that are talking about you whether or not you are engaging in that conversation.  What I mean is that there will be people out there conversing that don&#039;t follow you (Apple is a great example of a company that everyone likes to talk about that has not participated in social media at all) so it&#039;s important to realize that customers won&#039;t move through all the steps.  
With respect to marketing, there are different things you would do to engage the folks that are ignoring you vs. the folks that are talking about you.  Then when you look at the folks that are talking about you, you would handle your vocal fans differently than your vocal detractors (something I got a taste of when I was at Nortel ;-)
I love the points on making the conversation ecosystem crumble.  I&#039;m not sure every company understands the depth of the commitment required to do this kind of customer outreach/interaction properly.  Starting and then stopping is a great way to turn your community against you.
April</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this post.<br />
For most brands there are going to be folks that are talking about you whether or not you are engaging in that conversation.  What I mean is that there will be people out there conversing that don&#8217;t follow you (Apple is a great example of a company that everyone likes to talk about that has not participated in social media at all) so it&#8217;s important to realize that customers won&#8217;t move through all the steps.<br />
With respect to marketing, there are different things you would do to engage the folks that are ignoring you vs. the folks that are talking about you.  Then when you look at the folks that are talking about you, you would handle your vocal fans differently than your vocal detractors (something I got a taste of when I was at Nortel ;-)<br />
I love the points on making the conversation ecosystem crumble.  I&#8217;m not sure every company understands the depth of the commitment required to do this kind of customer outreach/interaction properly.  Starting and then stopping is a great way to turn your community against you.<br />
April</p>
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		<title>By: davemammen</title>
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		<dc:creator>davemammen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Good insight on real dialogue with your market by @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem http://bit.ly/14eeJ8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Good insight on real dialogue with your market by @sehlhorst: The Conversation Ecosystem <a href="http://bit.ly/14eeJ8" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/14eeJ8</a></span></span></span></p>
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