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	<title>Comments on: Product Manage Your Website</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-535792</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey David (&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/jdavidhobbs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jdavidhobbs &lt;/a&gt;on twitter), thanks for the great comment.  I couldn&#039;t agree more.

The complexity of internal vs. external stakeholders for websites does make for an interesting turf-war in a lot of companies.  The very visible engagement with customers makes this an ideal candidate for product management.  The dependence on many internal business processes, combined with (typically) siloed &quot;ownership&quot; of content, positioning, branding, pricing (of the products displayed on the site) makes this a great project for business analysts.

Kevin Brennan (&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/bainsight&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bainsight &lt;/a&gt;on twitter) had a great conversation a couple weeks ago about product management and business analysis.  Driving the vision and implementation of a website (or CMS or CRM system) is a great point for assertion of arguments on both sides.  And a great example that demonstrates huge overlap in skills and responsibilities between the two mindsets/camps/careers.

Thanks for sharing your really good article on CMS product management  - folks should check it out.  Your other link was broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey David (<a href="http://twitter.com/jdavidhobbs" rel="nofollow">jdavidhobbs </a>on twitter), thanks for the great comment.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>The complexity of internal vs. external stakeholders for websites does make for an interesting turf-war in a lot of companies.  The very visible engagement with customers makes this an ideal candidate for product management.  The dependence on many internal business processes, combined with (typically) siloed &#8220;ownership&#8221; of content, positioning, branding, pricing (of the products displayed on the site) makes this a great project for business analysts.</p>
<p>Kevin Brennan (<a href="http://twitter.com/bainsight" rel="nofollow">bainsight </a>on twitter) had a great conversation a couple weeks ago about product management and business analysis.  Driving the vision and implementation of a website (or CMS or CRM system) is a great point for assertion of arguments on both sides.  And a great example that demonstrates huge overlap in skills and responsibilities between the two mindsets/camps/careers.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your really good article on CMS product management  &#8211; folks should check it out.  Your other link was broken.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hobbs</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-535408</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a huge fan of web site product management, and think it is a key success factor (after a compelling vision and the organizational support structures to maintain the site) that is often missed.  Often, web sites are seen as one-time projects that are just &quot;project&quot; managed, rather than managed for overall ongoing quality and success.  

There are two aspects of product managing (at least large) web sites: product managing the external-facing site (so that the site does not quickly erode http://welchmanpierpoint.com/blog/web-product-manager-quality-product-management), and product managing the internal CMS / infrastructure (so that the system does not become unmanageable and therefore eventually impossible to satisfy site visitors http://www.scribd.com/doc/14087675/Internal-Content-Management-System-CMS-Product-Management).  In addition to product management, the overall decision structures need to be properly aligned.  For example, a common issue is that the different factions of a large organization lobby and get effectively-duplicate subsites that are good for their ego but bad for the goals of the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a huge fan of web site product management, and think it is a key success factor (after a compelling vision and the organizational support structures to maintain the site) that is often missed.  Often, web sites are seen as one-time projects that are just &#8220;project&#8221; managed, rather than managed for overall ongoing quality and success.  </p>
<p>There are two aspects of product managing (at least large) web sites: product managing the external-facing site (so that the site does not quickly erode <a href="http://welchmanpierpoint.com/blog/web-product-manager-quality-product-management)" rel="nofollow">http://welchmanpierpoint.com/blog/web-product-manager-quality-product-management)</a>, and product managing the internal CMS / infrastructure (so that the system does not become unmanageable and therefore eventually impossible to satisfy site visitors <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/14087675/Internal-Content-Management-System-CMS-Product-Management)" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/14087675/Internal-Content-Management-System-CMS-Product-Management)</a>.  In addition to product management, the overall decision structures need to be properly aligned.  For example, a common issue is that the different factions of a large organization lobby and get effectively-duplicate subsites that are good for their ego but bad for the goals of the site.</p>
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		<title>By: David Locke</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-517990</link>
		<dc:creator>David Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, at USAA, we had product managers who handled the n-tiered services provided by other vendors. They had to manage things like change window and contact terms. They didn&#039;t have any direct profitability. It was more a matter of the user experience. 

Every knowledge (content) transaction involves a conversion and a fulfillment. Every content transaction moves the reader across the sale funnel. The profit in a B2B enactment chain is a long time coming, but it is coming. Such enactment chains should not be indigenous or accidental. Eventually, revenue is generated. 

Open systems tend to find their profitability at their sidebands? But, the fundamental signal must still fulfill its customer&#039;s need before the sidebands can be effective at generating revenue. 

Sure there is an attribution problem for deeper revenues, but the revenues are there, and the costs are there, so a product manager should be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, at USAA, we had product managers who handled the n-tiered services provided by other vendors. They had to manage things like change window and contact terms. They didn&#8217;t have any direct profitability. It was more a matter of the user experience. </p>
<p>Every knowledge (content) transaction involves a conversion and a fulfillment. Every content transaction moves the reader across the sale funnel. The profit in a B2B enactment chain is a long time coming, but it is coming. Such enactment chains should not be indigenous or accidental. Eventually, revenue is generated. </p>
<p>Open systems tend to find their profitability at their sidebands? But, the fundamental signal must still fulfill its customer&#8217;s need before the sidebands can be effective at generating revenue. </p>
<p>Sure there is an attribution problem for deeper revenues, but the revenues are there, and the costs are there, so a product manager should be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-517149</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roger - thanks!  Yeah, it does make sense that these ideas apply to other outbound channels.  Maybe the companies I&#039;ve worked with get caught up in the &quot;inbound&quot; elements of the website and forget to do some of this stuff.

@Haig - thanks, and welcome to Tyner Blain!  My comment was definitely not clear.  My point I guess is leading to an &quot;org design&quot; sub-topic of this.  The website needs to be product-managed.  I&#039;ve worked with several companies where the websites are not being run by someone focused on the profit-impacts of their decisions, but only on the cost-impacts.  Imagine what would happen to a product, if you only managed the cost-side of the equation - think you would gain many customers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roger &#8211; thanks!  Yeah, it does make sense that these ideas apply to other outbound channels.  Maybe the companies I&#8217;ve worked with get caught up in the &#8220;inbound&#8221; elements of the website and forget to do some of this stuff.</p>
<p>@Haig &#8211; thanks, and welcome to Tyner Blain!  My comment was definitely not clear.  My point I guess is leading to an &#8220;org design&#8221; sub-topic of this.  The website needs to be product-managed.  I&#8217;ve worked with several companies where the websites are not being run by someone focused on the profit-impacts of their decisions, but only on the cost-impacts.  Imagine what would happen to a product, if you only managed the cost-side of the equation &#8211; think you would gain many customers?</p>
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		<title>By: Haig</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-517090</link>
		<dc:creator>Haig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finished reading the article and thought to myself that I totally agreed. Then I read the comments from Scott and it almost sounds like it&#039;s an argument against his original idea.

Nonetheless I still agree with the article. It makes sense to have a Product Manager controlling portions if not all of the website as it is in one way or another a revenue generation tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finished reading the article and thought to myself that I totally agreed. Then I read the comments from Scott and it almost sounds like it&#8217;s an argument against his original idea.</p>
<p>Nonetheless I still agree with the article. It makes sense to have a Product Manager controlling portions if not all of the website as it is in one way or another a revenue generation tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L. Cauvin</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-517018</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger L. Cauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I like your list of topics and think they capture many of the prerequisites to creating a good web site.  In fact, I think they apply to almost all forms of marketing collateral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I like your list of topics and think they capture many of the prerequisites to creating a good web site.  In fact, I think they apply to almost all forms of marketing collateral.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-516815</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, in principle.  However, if the person making all of the decisions for the website does not have P&amp;L (profit and loss) responsibility for anything -  managing the IT team as a &quot;cost center&quot; only, then there is no product manager.  Or you could think of it as a latent, unfilled position with no open requisition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, in principle.  However, if the person making all of the decisions for the website does not have P&#038;L (profit and loss) responsibility for anything &#8211;  managing the IT team as a &#8220;cost center&#8221; only, then there is no product manager.  Or you could think of it as a latent, unfilled position with no open requisition.</p>
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		<title>By: David Locke</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/08/24/product-manage-your-website/comment-page-1/#comment-516800</link>
		<dc:creator>David Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any transactional good is sold. It may not be sold for money. It may just be the selling of an idea. It might be a user-generated self-support forum. Regardless of whether the transactional good is information, goods, or services, someone still owns the P&amp;L. That someone would be the product manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any transactional good is sold. It may not be sold for money. It may just be the selling of an idea. It might be a user-generated self-support forum. Regardless of whether the transactional good is information, goods, or services, someone still owns the P&amp;L. That someone would be the product manager.</p>
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