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		<title>By: Kevin Cory</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-813965</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;When user stories are not enough http://t.co/KNawzd6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;By @sehlhorst: Writing Complete User Stories http://bit.ly/MGtPm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Edson Yanaga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edson Yanaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 01:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Learn Logic</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-652799</link>
		<dc:creator>Learn Logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Weekend reading: Requirements in Agile &#124; Dima Malenko</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-624883</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend reading: Requirements in Agile &#124; Dima Malenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Writing Complete User Stories. Nice guide on how to address often perceived problems with user stories.  Related Posts:Feature Driven Development VSTS process templateTelling your storiesFounders at WorkYour app vs. GMailWhy &quot;agile&quot; is better [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Defining and Prioritising a Backlog &#124; Valtech UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defining and Prioritising a Backlog &#124; Valtech UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 07:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] references to other artefacts such as user journeys/wireframes to further enrich the context. This article by Scott Sehlhorst is an interesting discussion of setting a context for user [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-06-02</title>
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		<description>[...] 2nd, 2010 by john   Writing Complete User Stories &#124; Tyner Blain Lots of decent agile stuff on the whole site. This article has one of the better views on how agile [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Askar Baybuzov</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-575444</link>
		<dc:creator>Askar Baybuzov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barry Day</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-575280</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@laurafaraway  i need more than 125 characters for that....This is not an explanation but started me on my journey. http://bit.ly/7L9Dvw&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Steube</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-575281</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Steube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @phernacki: RT @mkogon: Good write up of Storytelling blended into UML process - great of UX is important  http://bit.ly/158JVX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Hernacki</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-575282</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hernacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @mkogon: Good write up of Storytelling blended into UML process - great of UX is important  http://bit.ly/158JVX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @mkogon: Good write up of Storytelling blended into UML process &#8211; great of UX is important  <a href="http://bit.ly/158JVX" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/158JVX</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: mkogon</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-575283</link>
		<dc:creator>mkogon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;One of the best write ups of Storytelling blended into UML process I&#039;ve ever read - great of UX is important to you  http://bit.ly/158JVX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">One of the best write ups of Storytelling blended into UML process I&#8217;ve ever read &#8211; great of UX is important to you  <a href="http://bit.ly/158JVX" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/158JVX</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Roger L. Cauvin</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-510216</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger L. Cauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is #2 also a nonfunctional requirement?

By the way, I do agree that we should probe if &quot;too much time&quot; is really the users&#039; concern, or if &quot;too difficult to find&quot; is more accurate.  Either way, we need to be able to formulate it in quantifiable terms.

You&#039;re of course preaching to the choir about use cases and the design inherent in fleshing out the steps.

But the question still remains about the relationship between interaction design and functional requirements in your model.  In your model, by &quot;functional requirement&quot;, do you mean what Wiegers means by the term (i.e. functional specification element)?  Or do you mean the functional goal of the use case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is #2 also a nonfunctional requirement?</p>
<p>By the way, I do agree that we should probe if &#8220;too much time&#8221; is really the users&#8217; concern, or if &#8220;too difficult to find&#8221; is more accurate.  Either way, we need to be able to formulate it in quantifiable terms.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re of course preaching to the choir about use cases and the design inherent in fleshing out the steps.</p>
<p>But the question still remains about the relationship between interaction design and functional requirements in your model.  In your model, by &#8220;functional requirement&#8221;, do you mean what Wiegers means by the term (i.e. functional specification element)?  Or do you mean the functional goal of the use case?</p>
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		<title>By: ellen gottesdiener</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-575284</link>
		<dc:creator>ellen gottesdiener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;intsng read @ sehlhorst  &quot;Wrtng Complete User Stories&quot; http://bit.ly/18viKd&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-510160</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roger (2).  The &#039;functional requirement&#039; in the included diagram is as Wiegers&#039; describes in his methodology.  Maybe &#039;functional specification element&#039; is a more descriptive term.  

You raise a VERY good point about the challenges of embedding design into use cases, as they imply sequencing.  I think that is one of the reasons I&#039;ve migrated to use case briefs and user stories (depending on the teams with whom I&#039;m working) - easier to avoid embedding a procedure or process design in the description of &quot;what a user needs to be able to do in order to achieve a goal.&quot;</description>
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<p>You raise a VERY good point about the challenges of embedding design into use cases, as they imply sequencing.  I think that is one of the reasons I&#8217;ve migrated to use case briefs and user stories (depending on the teams with whom I&#8217;m working) &#8211; easier to avoid embedding a procedure or process design in the description of &#8220;what a user needs to be able to do in order to achieve a goal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roger (1): As always - thanks for contributing to the discussions here!

On #1: I guess I see &#039;acquiring a classic kid&#039;s toy...&#039; as a practical goals of the user, which is then manifested as user stories for find and order.  
On #2 - the limits on time, without segue, I&#039;ll agree that it is acceptance criteria for a user story.  With use cases, I would identify it as a constraint that applies to the use case.

With segue in hand, I would say that the surveyed users expressed &quot;too much time&quot; as their criticism, but I would wonder if that&#039;s really what it is.  &quot;Too difficult to find&quot; is more representative of the way you described it.  I think you could approach solving the problem with several implementation approaches, one of which is &#039;make it faster&#039;, but really the goal is &#039;make it easier.&#039;  Assuming you had used an example that was explicitly time-dependent (like recharging a defibrillator in under X seconds), I would stick with my #2 response above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roger (1): As always &#8211; thanks for contributing to the discussions here!</p>
<p>On #1: I guess I see &#8216;acquiring a classic kid&#8217;s toy&#8230;&#8217; as a practical goals of the user, which is then manifested as user stories for find and order.<br />
On #2 &#8211; the limits on time, without segue, I&#8217;ll agree that it is acceptance criteria for a user story.  With use cases, I would identify it as a constraint that applies to the use case.</p>
<p>With segue in hand, I would say that the surveyed users expressed &#8220;too much time&#8221; as their criticism, but I would wonder if that&#8217;s really what it is.  &#8220;Too difficult to find&#8221; is more representative of the way you described it.  I think you could approach solving the problem with several implementation approaches, one of which is &#8216;make it faster&#8217;, but really the goal is &#8216;make it easier.&#8217;  Assuming you had used an example that was explicitly time-dependent (like recharging a defibrillator in under X seconds), I would stick with my #2 response above.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L. Cauvin</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-510104</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger L. Cauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your model shows scenarios being enabled by implementing functional requirements, followed logically by program and interaction design.

Could you elaborate on what a functional requirement is in this context?

The Wiegers view (to which I do not subscribe) is that you define the steps in a use case, and that each of these steps represents, corresponds to, or calls out, functional requirements of the system.  A consequence of Wiegers&#039; view is that functional requirements come after, and are determined by, interaction design (since interaction design determines the steps in use cases).  Thus Wiegers&#039; view is incompatible with your model, since your model shows interaction design coming after functional requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your model shows scenarios being enabled by implementing functional requirements, followed logically by program and interaction design.</p>
<p>Could you elaborate on what a functional requirement is in this context?</p>
<p>The Wiegers view (to which I do not subscribe) is that you define the steps in a use case, and that each of these steps represents, corresponds to, or calls out, functional requirements of the system.  A consequence of Wiegers&#8217; view is that functional requirements come after, and are determined by, interaction design (since interaction design determines the steps in use cases).  Thus Wiegers&#8217; view is incompatible with your model, since your model shows interaction design coming after functional requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L. Cauvin</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-510084</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger L. Cauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s say we have researched the market and uncovered several market problems.  Prospects have told us they want to order classic kid&#039;s toys, and that they haven&#039;t been able to do so in a satisfactory way.  They mention that it takes too much time (due to conducting a bunch of searches or perusing classified ads).  Thus:

1.  Finding and ordering classic kid&#039;s toys are essential functional goals.
2.  There need to be limits on the amount of time it takes to find and order the toys.

How do these two items fit into your conceptual model?

In my conceptual world, the first item would be a functional requirement and could be represented by the identification of a use case or user story.  The second item would be nonfunctional requirement and could be represented by the use case&#039;s preconditions, postconditions, and invariants or by the user story&#039;s acceptance criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s say we have researched the market and uncovered several market problems.  Prospects have told us they want to order classic kid&#8217;s toys, and that they haven&#8217;t been able to do so in a satisfactory way.  They mention that it takes too much time (due to conducting a bunch of searches or perusing classified ads).  Thus:</p>
<p>1.  Finding and ordering classic kid&#8217;s toys are essential functional goals.<br />
2.  There need to be limits on the amount of time it takes to find and order the toys.</p>
<p>How do these two items fit into your conceptual model?</p>
<p>In my conceptual world, the first item would be a functional requirement and could be represented by the identification of a use case or user story.  The second item would be nonfunctional requirement and could be represented by the use case&#8217;s preconditions, postconditions, and invariants or by the user story&#8217;s acceptance criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Guilhem Ensuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guilhem Ensuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Writing Complete User Stories: great article on user stories in product marketing / product management ... http://bit.ly/2gACuB&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Writing Complete User Stories: great article on user stories in product marketing / product management &#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/2gACuB" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2gACuB</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/07/06/writing-complete-user-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-505344</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@craig - thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@craig &#8211; thanks :)</p>
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