Comments on: Gender Bias in 2008 Product Manager Salary Data http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/ Software product success. Tue, 22 May 2012 20:46:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Thomas Fuchs-Martin http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/comment-page-1/#comment-575313 Thomas Fuchs-Martin Thu, 28 May 2009 17:10:04 +0000 http://tynerblain.com/blog/?p=803#comment-575313 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Gender Bias in Product Manager Salaries? http://bit.ly/PyXPf is that fair?! What do you think? #prodmgmt</span></span> Gender Bias in Product Manager Salaries? http://bit.ly/PyXPf is that fair?! What do you think? #prodmgmt

]]> By: Thomas Fuchs-Martin http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/comment-page-1/#comment-575314 Thomas Fuchs-Martin Thu, 28 May 2009 17:10:04 +0000 http://tynerblain.com/blog/?p=803#comment-575314 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Gender Bias in Product Manager Salaries? http://bit.ly/PyXPf is that fair?! What do you think? #prodmgmt</span></span> Gender Bias in Product Manager Salaries? http://bit.ly/PyXPf is that fair?! What do you think? #prodmgmt

]]> By: Will Dwinnell http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/comment-page-1/#comment-480251 Will Dwinnell Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:14:04 +0000 http://tynerblain.com/blog/?p=803#comment-480251 "I suspect that the data does indicate inequality in the compensation of men and women in the product management role." While there appears to be a difference in the average compensation, it's worth noting the substantial overlap in the distributions of men and women in every chart presented in this article. “I suspect that the data does indicate inequality in the compensation of men and women in the product management role.”

While there appears to be a difference in the average compensation, it’s worth noting the substantial overlap in the distributions of men and women in every chart presented in this article.

]]> By: Scott Sehlhorst http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/comment-page-1/#comment-480246 Scott Sehlhorst Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:56:45 +0000 http://tynerblain.com/blog/?p=803#comment-480246 Hey Will, you'll have to ask the Pragmatic Marketing folks for that. They ran the survey, and would be the ones to decide what makes the most sense. Hey Will, you’ll have to ask the Pragmatic Marketing folks for that. They ran the survey, and would be the ones to decide what makes the most sense.

]]> By: Will Dwinnell http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/comment-page-1/#comment-480216 Will Dwinnell Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:43:21 +0000 http://tynerblain.com/blog/?p=803#comment-480216 Would it be possible to share the data upon which this analysis is based? Would it be possible to share the data upon which this analysis is based?

]]> By: Scott Sehlhorst http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/comment-page-1/#comment-475465 Scott Sehlhorst Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:47:41 +0000 http://tynerblain.com/blog/?p=803#comment-475465 Thanks, CPM, for the followup. And for the BSG reference! Thanks, CPM, for the followup. And for the BSG reference!

]]> By: The Cranky Product Manager http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/01/21/gender-bias-2008-salary-data/comment-page-1/#comment-475189 The Cranky Product Manager Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:19:21 +0000 http://tynerblain.com/blog/?p=803#comment-475189 The Cranky Product Manager speaks from some personal experience. She'd suspect that the gender disparity at 10-15 yrs might be due to having kids. Even if the female PM works just as hard and travels just as much before and after kids, the CPM believes there is a general perception that the mom-PM is "not as committed" and not as hard working as non-mom-PMs. In contrast, dad-PMs don't seem to be affected, at least in the CPM's observation. The above is based on the CPM's perceptions and in-depth knowledge of the salaries of a fairly large PM team that she inherited/manages. However, there is plenty of quantitative research out there that shows that parenthood penalizes women and benefits men even if all other variables (performance reviews, hours put in, etc...) are kept the same. Another reason for the Cranky PM to be frakin' cranky. The Cranky Product Manager speaks from some personal experience. She’d suspect that the gender disparity at 10-15 yrs might be due to having kids. Even if the female PM works just as hard and travels just as much before and after kids, the CPM believes there is a general perception that the mom-PM is “not as committed” and not as hard working as non-mom-PMs. In contrast, dad-PMs don’t seem to be affected, at least in the CPM’s observation.

The above is based on the CPM’s perceptions and in-depth knowledge of the salaries of a fairly large PM team that she inherited/manages. However, there is plenty of quantitative research out there that shows that parenthood penalizes women and benefits men even if all other variables (performance reviews, hours put in, etc…) are kept the same.

Another reason for the Cranky PM to be frakin’ cranky.

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