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	<title>Comments on: Making Offshore Development Work</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/05/05/offshore-development/comment-page-1/#comment-382058</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outsourcing is supposed to bring more brains into the effort. It is also supposed to free up managerial focus of the customer, you, the one who outsource the work. If you are managing that work, it should be pretty obvious that you have not freed up any of your managerial focus. 

The spec is the contract. They do the work. If they fail, you go out and hire someone who can do the work. No communications is required. If you have to talk to them while they work, then outsourcing by definition is not working, and they are not applying their brains to the effort. 

It&#039;s like your auto mechanic and his warranty. If he didn&#039;t do the job right the first time, why do you think he will do the rework any differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsourcing is supposed to bring more brains into the effort. It is also supposed to free up managerial focus of the customer, you, the one who outsource the work. If you are managing that work, it should be pretty obvious that you have not freed up any of your managerial focus. </p>
<p>The spec is the contract. They do the work. If they fail, you go out and hire someone who can do the work. No communications is required. If you have to talk to them while they work, then outsourcing by definition is not working, and they are not applying their brains to the effort. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like your auto mechanic and his warranty. If he didn&#8217;t do the job right the first time, why do you think he will do the rework any differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/05/05/offshore-development/comment-page-1/#comment-380681</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subrata, thanks for the comment and welcome to Tyner Blain!

And I especially like the question - we&#039;re building up to an article on exactly that.  So far, we&#039;ve covered sending low-level implementation work offshore, and sending technical design work.  Next up - complete technical outsourcing, and then product management.

I do think you&#039;ve inspired another topic - low-level business analysis offshoring.  

Thanks again, and stick around - we&#039;ll get to it eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subrata, thanks for the comment and welcome to Tyner Blain!</p>
<p>And I especially like the question &#8211; we&#8217;re building up to an article on exactly that.  So far, we&#8217;ve covered sending low-level implementation work offshore, and sending technical design work.  Next up &#8211; complete technical outsourcing, and then product management.</p>
<p>I do think you&#8217;ve inspired another topic &#8211; low-level business analysis offshoring.  </p>
<p>Thanks again, and stick around &#8211; we&#8217;ll get to it eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Subrata</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/05/05/offshore-development/comment-page-1/#comment-375232</link>
		<dc:creator>Subrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 07:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insight.
I am keen to understand experiences where aspects of product management and business analysis has been offshored. Do you have best practices to share for that scenario?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insight.<br />
I am keen to understand experiences where aspects of product management and business analysis has been offshored. Do you have best practices to share for that scenario?</p>
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		<title>By: Talmadge</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/05/05/offshore-development/comment-page-1/#comment-366793</link>
		<dc:creator>Talmadge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offshore agile does work!
We ran a Ukrainian team of testers using Scrum daily standups to keep track of the efforts.  

Chunk your effort and follow a daily plan so you minimize your risk and catch any problems quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offshore agile does work!<br />
We ran a Ukrainian team of testers using Scrum daily standups to keep track of the efforts.  </p>
<p>Chunk your effort and follow a daily plan so you minimize your risk and catch any problems quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/05/05/offshore-development/comment-page-1/#comment-366508</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang it!

I wrote a really good response, I promise.  Had some issues with the site, had to upgrade (which is why it was down for a little bit), and apparently lost my comment.

I&#039;ll sum-up:

1.  Yes.  Absolutely agree.
2.  I will write an article (or 2, or 20) about this in specific.
3.  The secret is to minimize the amount of &quot;highly chatty&quot; communication across the high-latency channels, to have any hope of efficiency.
4.  It can be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang it!</p>
<p>I wrote a really good response, I promise.  Had some issues with the site, had to upgrade (which is why it was down for a little bit), and apparently lost my comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll sum-up:</p>
<p>1.  Yes.  Absolutely agree.<br />
2.  I will write an article (or 2, or 20) about this in specific.<br />
3.  The secret is to minimize the amount of &#8220;highly chatty&#8221; communication across the high-latency channels, to have any hope of efficiency.<br />
4.  It can be done.</p>
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		<title>By: sam bennett</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/05/05/offshore-development/comment-page-1/#comment-366007</link>
		<dc:creator>sam bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott-

Communication is the key, especially relating to time and space. I&#039;d like to hear more about offshore + agile. This seems like a concept that is still propagating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott-</p>
<p>Communication is the key, especially relating to time and space. I&#8217;d like to hear more about offshore + agile. This seems like a concept that is still propagating.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sdei,  thanks for commenting, and welcome to Tyner Blain!

I agree with you that good process is critical, and domain knowledge &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; be an important factor to the success of any given project.  I left both of those out of my analysis, because those factors have just as much influence when teams are co-located.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdei,  thanks for commenting, and welcome to Tyner Blain!</p>
<p>I agree with you that good process is critical, and domain knowledge <em>can</em> be an important factor to the success of any given project.  I left both of those out of my analysis, because those factors have just as much influence when teams are co-located.</p>
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		<title>By: sdei</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2008/05/05/offshore-development/comment-page-1/#comment-365145</link>
		<dc:creator>sdei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly communication, quick response time  and understanding are very important. Along with this optimized processes and domain knowledge play major role in success of offshore software outsourcing.
Regards
sdei
http://www.smartdatainc.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly communication, quick response time  and understanding are very important. Along with this optimized processes and domain knowledge play major role in success of offshore software outsourcing.<br />
Regards<br />
sdei<br />
<a href="http://www.smartdatainc.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartdatainc.net</a></p>
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