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		<title>By: Project Shrink Links 19-9-2007 &#124; Project Shrink</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-607661</link>
		<dc:creator>Project Shrink Links 19-9-2007 &#124; Project Shrink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-504592</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The screenshot is gorgeous.  What would be interesting to me is to see how it deals with &quot;locking up&quot; a resource for a period on the calendar (attending a seminar, vacation, etc), dealing with dependencies - where I think the real value of planning comes into play, dealing with changes to the tasks &quot;in flight&quot; and the backlog, providing a visualization of the value of the tasks and/or the value of a sprint/delivery,....

Video is also really good (would be better with audio :)).

Will think about it some more, maybe some other readers will find this old article and check out &lt;i&gt;Team Effort&lt;/i&gt; and share feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The screenshot is gorgeous.  What would be interesting to me is to see how it deals with &#8220;locking up&#8221; a resource for a period on the calendar (attending a seminar, vacation, etc), dealing with dependencies &#8211; where I think the real value of planning comes into play, dealing with changes to the tasks &#8220;in flight&#8221; and the backlog, providing a visualization of the value of the tasks and/or the value of a sprint/delivery,&#8230;.</p>
<p>Video is also really good (would be better with audio :)).</p>
<p>Will think about it some more, maybe some other readers will find this old article and check out <i>Team Effort</i> and share feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-504382</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jason!  I&#039;ll definitely check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jason!  I&#8217;ll definitely check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Glover</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-504284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been a long time since you wrote this Scott but your points are still valid.  A testament to your writing and clearly thought out argument I suppose.

I note that you&#039;re not saying that Planning is a useless exercise in Agile projects, just that preparing the traditional Gantt charts is a wasted dead-end effort.  I could not agree with you more!

So you might find it strange to hear that a lover of all things Agile would spend a few years in the closet building an online project management tool that looks remarkably like a Gantt chart, but I did.

I really would love to hear your thoughts on it ...

http://blog.teameffect.com/post/Team_Effect_equals_Agile_friendly_Gantt_charts.aspx

Regards,

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a long time since you wrote this Scott but your points are still valid.  A testament to your writing and clearly thought out argument I suppose.</p>
<p>I note that you&#8217;re not saying that Planning is a useless exercise in Agile projects, just that preparing the traditional Gantt charts is a wasted dead-end effort.  I could not agree with you more!</p>
<p>So you might find it strange to hear that a lover of all things Agile would spend a few years in the closet building an online project management tool that looks remarkably like a Gantt chart, but I did.</p>
<p>I really would love to hear your thoughts on it &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.teameffect.com/post/Team_Effect_equals_Agile_friendly_Gantt_charts.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blog.teameffect.com/post/Team_Effect_equals_Agile_friendly_Gantt_charts.aspx</a></p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-175781</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to the previous commenter.  I&#039;ve removed your comment, just because you are addressing a comment to an individual in a tone I don&#039;t care for.  If you want to contribute to the discussions here at Tyner Blain, I&#039;d love to have your inputs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to the previous commenter.  I&#8217;ve removed your comment, just because you are addressing a comment to an individual in a tone I don&#8217;t care for.  If you want to contribute to the discussions here at Tyner Blain, I&#8217;d love to have your inputs.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-158309</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Frans, for your insights, and welcome to Tyner Blain!  I appreciate your comments!  

On the first one - I agree that Gantt charts are very powerful for communication, but only when they are made at the right level.  A higher level Gantt is great for communicating to people external to the team.  They aren&#039;t going to get any value from knowing that Jim is writing the stored procedures to improve query performance on zip code searches on Thursday.  But they certainly can benefit from knowing that we&#039;re on track to delivering the address validation capability, which is a required predecessor of the instant loan-approval process.

I definitely would like to learn more about how you drive stuff at TenForce - I&#039;m sure our readers would like to know more too.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Frans, for your insights, and welcome to Tyner Blain!  I appreciate your comments!  </p>
<p>On the first one &#8211; I agree that Gantt charts are very powerful for communication, but only when they are made at the right level.  A higher level Gantt is great for communicating to people external to the team.  They aren&#8217;t going to get any value from knowing that Jim is writing the stored procedures to improve query performance on zip code searches on Thursday.  But they certainly can benefit from knowing that we&#8217;re on track to delivering the address validation capability, which is a required predecessor of the instant loan-approval process.</p>
<p>I definitely would like to learn more about how you drive stuff at TenForce &#8211; I&#8217;m sure our readers would like to know more too.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Frans Vanhaelewijck</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-156174</link>
		<dc:creator>Frans Vanhaelewijck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is certainly an interesting view point. The agile and scrum methods make the &#039;traditional&#039; planning often less important. However I would like to add following views:

1. 
Planning in general, and gantt charts in particular, are an important &#039;communication&#039; tool. I have found myself often creating a plan, just to be able to discuss it with team members, customer, users, suppliers, and so on. A plan should tell a story, it needs structure. After all, there is much more to the typical project than just the &#039;agile&#039; programming part. You have users, trainings, installations, suppliers, and so. They need some timing synchronization to get to the end result.

2. 
I don&#039;t like the work breakdown approach: splitting up each task in more detailed tasks. Rather I work from the deliverables (so-called products in prince2 -speak). Unless the scope of your project changes, your deliverables remain fairly constant in your project. A gantt chart (or at least the left part of it) is the ideal place to explain that deliverable break down.

We at TenForce have developed a pragmatic project management product that integrates with MS Project as a planning tool. We advice our customers to keep the planning on a high enough level, and not loose yourself in the details. Those get changed anyhow.

Best regards
Frans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is certainly an interesting view point. The agile and scrum methods make the &#8216;traditional&#8217; planning often less important. However I would like to add following views:</p>
<p>1.<br />
Planning in general, and gantt charts in particular, are an important &#8216;communication&#8217; tool. I have found myself often creating a plan, just to be able to discuss it with team members, customer, users, suppliers, and so on. A plan should tell a story, it needs structure. After all, there is much more to the typical project than just the &#8216;agile&#8217; programming part. You have users, trainings, installations, suppliers, and so. They need some timing synchronization to get to the end result.</p>
<p>2.<br />
I don&#8217;t like the work breakdown approach: splitting up each task in more detailed tasks. Rather I work from the deliverables (so-called products in prince2 -speak). Unless the scope of your project changes, your deliverables remain fairly constant in your project. A gantt chart (or at least the left part of it) is the ideal place to explain that deliverable break down.</p>
<p>We at TenForce have developed a pragmatic project management product that integrates with MS Project as a planning tool. We advice our customers to keep the planning on a high enough level, and not loose yourself in the details. Those get changed anyhow.</p>
<p>Best regards<br />
Frans</p>
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		<title>By: Undocumented Features &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PM-Fu: Why Gantt Charts Are Useless in Agile Development- and How to Make Them Useful</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-152157</link>
		<dc:creator>Undocumented Features &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PM-Fu: Why Gantt Charts Are Useless in Agile Development- and How to Make Them Useful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Tyner Blain blog posted a while back on Why Gantt Charts are useless in Agile Development.  They&#8217;re right on many levels- I personally struggled with this early on in working with Agile Development.  I know many PMs do.  Every PM should read this, whether or not they&#8217;re working with Agile Development.  It applies just as much in a business environment that adapts and changes to business needs as it does to Agile Development. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Tyner Blain blog posted a while back on Why Gantt Charts are useless in Agile Development.  They&#8217;re right on many levels- I personally struggled with this early on in working with Agile Development.  I know many PMs do.  Every PM should read this, whether or not they&#8217;re working with Agile Development.  It applies just as much in a business environment that adapts and changes to business needs as it does to Agile Development. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alexey Panteleev</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-135886</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexey Panteleev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
 Thank you for your comment to my earlier post (GANTT in agile environment). I wanted to respond to it but could not find a short way of doing that so here goes another full-blown post:

http://yoxel.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/is-gantt-chart-the-real-issue-here/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
 Thank you for your comment to my earlier post (GANTT in agile environment). I wanted to respond to it but could not find a short way of doing that so here goes another full-blown post:</p>
<p><a href="http://yoxel.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/is-gantt-chart-the-real-issue-here/" rel="nofollow">http://yoxel.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/is-gantt-chart-the-real-issue-here/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-135264</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bill, thanks for commenting.

I think scheduling is important.  But maintaining a representation in MS Project of the individual developer tasks is too low level.  I agree that if you have a representation of that stuff in MS Project, and you are maintaining dependencies for them, balancing the resource load for assigned tasks, and prioritizing them within each sprint - generating the Gannt chart from them takes no effort.

My point is that doing all of that conceptual maintenance work is a waste of time (at that level of detail).  The tasks and their dependencies are too mutable, the team will resequence on the fly.  The team will introduce and remove dependencies faster than you can keep up.  Tracking the higher level stuff (like which use case is being delivered, in which sprint) is more important, and will have a lot less churn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill, thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>I think scheduling is important.  But maintaining a representation in MS Project of the individual developer tasks is too low level.  I agree that if you have a representation of that stuff in MS Project, and you are maintaining dependencies for them, balancing the resource load for assigned tasks, and prioritizing them within each sprint &#8211; generating the Gannt chart from them takes no effort.</p>
<p>My point is that doing all of that conceptual maintenance work is a waste of time (at that level of detail).  The tasks and their dependencies are too mutable, the team will resequence on the fly.  The team will introduce and remove dependencies faster than you can keep up.  Tracking the higher level stuff (like which use case is being delivered, in which sprint) is more important, and will have a lot less churn.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand what you are recommending.  Are you suggesting one shouldn&#039;t schedule?  I don&#039;t get what the overhead is in a Gannt chart when it&#039;s nothing more than a view in a Microsoft Project Schedule.  I don&#039;t use the Gannt view myself, but as far as investment above and beyond a normal schedule, it&#039;s free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand what you are recommending.  Are you suggesting one shouldn&#8217;t schedule?  I don&#8217;t get what the overhead is in a Gannt chart when it&#8217;s nothing more than a view in a Microsoft Project Schedule.  I don&#8217;t use the Gannt view myself, but as far as investment above and beyond a normal schedule, it&#8217;s free.</p>
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		<title>By: GANNT in agile envoronment &#171; One Yoxel</title>
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		<dc:creator>GANNT in agile envoronment &#171; One Yoxel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I ran into this article the other day Why Gannt Charts Are Useless For Agile Projects and then followed to the next one The demise of the Gantt Chart in Agile Software Project and then simply could not resist to post my opinion on this topic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I ran into this article the other day Why Gannt Charts Are Useless For Agile Projects and then followed to the next one The demise of the Gantt Chart in Agile Software Project and then simply could not resist to post my opinion on this topic. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-134353</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David, and as always, thanks, Roger.  As a former mechanical engineer, I still have a fondness for lean, CPM, and other process analysis approaches.  But I really liked Tate&#039;s insight that &lt;i&gt;mutable&lt;/i&gt; dependencies dramatically reduce the benefit of such an approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David, and as always, thanks, Roger.  As a former mechanical engineer, I still have a fondness for lean, CPM, and other process analysis approaches.  But I really liked Tate&#8217;s insight that <i>mutable</i> dependencies dramatically reduce the benefit of such an approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L. Cauvin</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-134337</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger L. Cauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gannt Charts are basically &lt;a href=&quot;http://cauvin.blogspot.com/2005/09/flaws-in-cpm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;critical path method (CPM) superimposed on a timeline&lt;/a&gt;.  Many PMI fans are in love with CPM, and it&#039;s hard to get them to understand the benefits of agile methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gannt Charts are basically <a href="http://cauvin.blogspot.com/2005/09/flaws-in-cpm.html" rel="nofollow">critical path method (CPM) superimposed on a timeline</a>.  Many PMI fans are in love with CPM, and it&#8217;s hard to get them to understand the benefits of agile methods.</p>
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		<title>By: David Christiansen</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2007/08/13/agile-gannt-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-134305</link>
		<dc:creator>David Christiansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great response to Tate&#039;s article. Thanks for publishing it - I&#039;ve added you to TechDarkSide.com&#039;s blogroll. You have a nice blog. Keep it going.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great response to Tate&#8217;s article. Thanks for publishing it &#8211; I&#8217;ve added you to TechDarkSide.com&#8217;s blogroll. You have a nice blog. Keep it going.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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