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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2006/04/13/foundation-series-basic-pert-estimate-tutorial/comment-page-1/#comment-500911</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To read more, check out the follow-up article I just wrote: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/06/18/advanced-pert-estimation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Advanced PERT Estimation&lt;/a&gt;.

It addresses how to aggregate multiple PERT estimates at the task level into a PERT estimate for a larger item.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To read more, check out the follow-up article I just wrote: <a href="http://tynerblain.com/blog/2009/06/18/advanced-pert-estimation/" rel="nofollow">Advanced PERT Estimation</a>.</p>
<p>It addresses how to aggregate multiple PERT estimates at the task level into a PERT estimate for a larger item.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2006/04/13/foundation-series-basic-pert-estimate-tutorial/comment-page-1/#comment-499479</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey David, thanks for the question.  Generally speaking, as you learn, you make better (tighter) estimates.  For example, you could go from 15/30/60 to 20/30/45.  Each range is your assessment of uncertainties.  Ideally, you would also get &quot;better&quot; at something while also getting more accurate - going from 15/30/60 to 15/25/40.

For estimating X trips, there are a few answers, depending on how you&#039;re asking the question.  If you&#039;re wondering what type of &quot;estimation learning&quot; to bake into your estimates, I&#039;d be inclined to say &quot;none.&quot;  While you will get better at estimating as time goes on, you also have increased uncertainty the further you look into the future.  Your ability to accurately predict 15/30/60 right now is higher than to predict 15/30/60 six months from now.  I don&#039;t know which factor will dominate, so I&#039;d be inclined to ignore both factors, assuming that they cancel each other out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey David, thanks for the question.  Generally speaking, as you learn, you make better (tighter) estimates.  For example, you could go from 15/30/60 to 20/30/45.  Each range is your assessment of uncertainties.  Ideally, you would also get &#8220;better&#8221; at something while also getting more accurate &#8211; going from 15/30/60 to 15/25/40.</p>
<p>For estimating X trips, there are a few answers, depending on how you&#8217;re asking the question.  If you&#8217;re wondering what type of &#8220;estimation learning&#8221; to bake into your estimates, I&#8217;d be inclined to say &#8220;none.&#8221;  While you will get better at estimating as time goes on, you also have increased uncertainty the further you look into the future.  Your ability to accurately predict 15/30/60 right now is higher than to predict 15/30/60 six months from now.  I don&#8217;t know which factor will dominate, so I&#8217;d be inclined to ignore both factors, assuming that they cancel each other out.</p>
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		<title>By: David Paul</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2006/04/13/foundation-series-basic-pert-estimate-tutorial/comment-page-1/#comment-497284</link>
		<dc:creator>David Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would you take into account the fact that you get better or more proficient at driving to the store the 2nd and subsequent times you go.  I know this may not make this with the &quot;store&quot; analogy (unless you consider short cuts you might discover or speed traps you learn about, etc), but with software development, it is a reality.
 
Also, what&#039;s the math for estimating X trips to the store?  If 1 trip is PERT:15/30/60, then what will 15 trips be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would you take into account the fact that you get better or more proficient at driving to the store the 2nd and subsequent times you go.  I know this may not make this with the &#8220;store&#8221; analogy (unless you consider short cuts you might discover or speed traps you learn about, etc), but with software development, it is a reality.</p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s the math for estimating X trips to the store?  If 1 trip is PERT:15/30/60, then what will 15 trips be?</p>
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		<title>By: Estimacion pert &#171; Bote Salva Vidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Estimacion pert &#171; Bote Salva Vidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Sehlhorst</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2006/04/13/foundation-series-basic-pert-estimate-tutorial/comment-page-1/#comment-366499</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Sehlhorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Juan Carlos (or is it just Juan?),

Thanks for commenting on this estimation article too.  Now all you need to do is join the conversation on our use-case-points estimation series :).

That formula for a PERT estimate is interesting - it biases the pessimistic numbers.  Essentially, instead of saying &quot;this is what we think it should be&quot;  with a beta distribution, it hides the &quot;we think we&#039;re wrong&quot; part within the math.

I suspect that you lose the ability to quantify the probability of delivering at a point in time when you do this.  I prefer to use the &quot;pure&quot; PERT estimate of 1+4+1, where I know the math works.  Then, I recognize that my calculation of the standard deviation is also correct.  When I want to be conservative, I project the PERT estimate plus two standard deviations.

This is, in my opinion, a better approach, because it is more transparent, and easier to follow during a review.  It doesn&#039;t &quot;pollute&quot; the original PERT number by baking the conservative view into the original numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Juan Carlos (or is it just Juan?),</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting on this estimation article too.  Now all you need to do is join the conversation on our use-case-points estimation series :).</p>
<p>That formula for a PERT estimate is interesting &#8211; it biases the pessimistic numbers.  Essentially, instead of saying &#8220;this is what we think it should be&#8221;  with a beta distribution, it hides the &#8220;we think we&#8217;re wrong&#8221; part within the math.</p>
<p>I suspect that you lose the ability to quantify the probability of delivering at a point in time when you do this.  I prefer to use the &#8220;pure&#8221; PERT estimate of 1+4+1, where I know the math works.  Then, I recognize that my calculation of the standard deviation is also correct.  When I want to be conservative, I project the PERT estimate plus two standard deviations.</p>
<p>This is, in my opinion, a better approach, because it is more transparent, and easier to follow during a review.  It doesn&#8217;t &#8220;pollute&#8221; the original PERT number by baking the conservative view into the original numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Carlos</title>
		<link>http://tynerblain.com/blog/2006/04/13/foundation-series-basic-pert-estimate-tutorial/comment-page-1/#comment-366339</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PERT its a good option to estimate. How ever exist a a specific formula for PERT to Estimate software projects

(optimistic + (3 * likely) + (pessimistic*2)) / 6
Source: Estimating Software- Intensive Systems

I think that we should use PERT to estimate workitems, but not the core of the project. it means you can estimate meetings, documentation, general task, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PERT its a good option to estimate. How ever exist a a specific formula for PERT to Estimate software projects</p>
<p>(optimistic + (3 * likely) + (pessimistic*2)) / 6<br />
Source: Estimating Software- Intensive Systems</p>
<p>I think that we should use PERT to estimate workitems, but not the core of the project. it means you can estimate meetings, documentation, general task, etc.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Foundation Series: Basic PERT Estimate Tutorial &#124; Tyner Blain PERT is a technique for providing definitive estimates of how long it will take to complete tasks. We often estimate, or scope, the amount of time it will take us to complete a task or tasks. PERT allows us to provide not only an estimate, but a measure o (tags: projectmanagement) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Foundation Series: Basic PERT Estimate Tutorial | Tyner Blain PERT is a technique for providing definitive estimates of how long it will take to complete tasks. We often estimate, or scope, the amount of time it will take us to complete a task or tasks. PERT allows us to provide not only an estimate, but a measure o (tags: projectmanagement) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ATZ OK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-05-06</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATZ OK &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-05-06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 05:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Foundation series: Basic PERT estimate tutorial -Tyner Blain A good basic tutorial of PERT estimate techniques, complete with the math to make it work. (tags: development management) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Foundation series: Basic PERT estimate tutorial -Tyner Blain A good basic tutorial of PERT estimate techniques, complete with the math to make it work. (tags: development management) [...]</p>
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